During his visit to Canada and Mexico this October, Younus AlGohar will be speaking at major events. He has also been invited to be interviewed on ThatChannel.com’s talk show, Liquid Lunch, hosted by Hugh Reilly.
During his visit to Canada and Mexico this October, Younus AlGohar will be speaking at major events. He has also been invited to be interviewed on ThatChannel.com’s talk show, Liquid Lunch, hosted by Hugh Reilly.
The second part of ThatChannel.com’s Liquid Lunch programme with Younus AlGohar.
Hugh: So, we are going to do a second interview now and change the topics up a little bit. We are going to be talking about society, unification and peace. The last interview was about some of the problem so we’re gonna hopefully get to some of the solutions in this conversation.
Hildegard: Yes, and we seem to have the perfect magazine at hand called ‘Messiah Herald: Become the Master of Your Own Being’ and maybe I was jumping the gun a little bit half an hour ago but that, I think, really, is the hot topic today. Steve, talk to us about the magazine and the purpose behind it.
Steve: So, this is a monthly magazine that we issue and it is actually being spread all over the world now. And the beauty of it is because His Holiness Gohar Shahi has made spirituality accessible to everybody in this world. We see the increase in the material world, upgrades in technologies, this is an upgrade in spirituality. It makes it accessible to everybody. There is even a step in this month’s one where people can just download this from MessiahHerald.com or get it from the guise here or come to any one of our places and get this.
Page 12 has an actual step-by-step guide, how you can reawaken your heart. It is as simple as that. A 3 step guide that anybody can do. Doesn’t matter what religion or what faith you are. We have seen in the history that people have had to go away on missions, they have had to go sit around gurus, it is just not acceptable now. It is not possible that people can do this. All I heard of spirituality before is like the George Harrison – [inaudible] – the Beatles; you’ve got money, you’ve got time, you can go off and go to these retreats. It’s just not possible these days. So, His Holiness has beautifully made it accessible for all. I thoroughly recommend this magazine to all the viewers. As you said, it mentions about conquering yourself, self-awareness, knowing yourself to know God.
Hugh: I noticed on the cover of that one it says ‘Is the Promised Messiah Already Here?’
YAG: That is the question.
Hugh: What’s the answer?
YAG: Let’s find out.
Hildegard: Before we go there, if I just may. I understand you have a lot of workshops and you give lectures online. Here on this book it actually says ‘broadcast live, everyday at 10PM UK time’, tell me a little bit about how that works.
Steve: Yeah, 10PM UK time, His Holiness gives us that slot just teaching about love and spirituality. As you saw on Saturday, very up-to-date information, current news, current situations. And He thoroughly welcomes anybody to ask any questions. They can log on and ask questions and they will always be answered.
Hildegard: So, individuals can type into the chat and say ‘here, this is my issue, I would like your opinion’?
Steve: Certainly can and they do everyday.
Hildegard: This is like, really hands on.
Steve: This is what we need. This is a worldwide – we want everybody in the world to know about it so the internet is the perfect vehicle [for it].
Hildegard: Okay, so let’s talk a little bit about the coming of the Messiah. Because many religions have claimed this for thousands of years and they are always those who say nothing happens, or ‘2012 the world will end’, obviously nothing happened. [Inaudible] in the invisible world lots have happened. So, His Holiness, what is your take on the coming of the Messiah?
YAG: Messiah is related to the Jewish religion. It is the Messianic thought; there will be a Messiah. There is a lot of conflict on the word ‘Messiah’ because Christians think Jesus is Messiah and people from Judaism think there is another Messiah. And there was a problem when Jesus was arrested by the Romans, the Jewish scholars complained that Jesus calls himself Messiah, ask him who is he?
So, there is a concept of a Messianic figure in almost every religion. Hindus have this belief that there will a Messiah, a type of saviour, then Muslims have the same belief that there will be a saviour, according to their faith. And then, we have the Sikh community, they also have the same concept. So, this concept of an End Time personality, who, according to every religion will strengthen the religions. If it is a Hindu Messiah he will strengthen the Hindu religion and the followers of Hinduism. And Jewish concept tells us that the Jewish Messiah will acquire the Promised Land for them and strengthen the Jewish community. The Muslims also have the same concept of the End Times saviour.
Hugh: I am wondering, in a sense, if you have a concept of a Messiah – even if it is an alien Messiah, Hildegard –
Hildegard: That’s another discussion altogether.
Hugh: I think it’s the same discussion in respect that if we are expecting a Messiah to come and save us from our plight then, in a sense, we are putting our faith in an external factor versus taking responsibility ourselves for the situation we find ourselves in and doing something about it.
YAG: Actually, I got your point but the thing is it is not people who have concocted this concept of Messiah. If we had made up this story that we need somebody from extra-terrestrial; space, we are in that case putting our faith to external sources. But it is the thought which is coming from religions. Nobody has made up the thought, it is coming from religions. People who believe in religions they have this concept. People who are secular, do not believe in any religions, they are not waiting for any Messiah. So, it is a religious concept.
Hildegard: However, you are non-religious? The Messiah Foundation embraces all religions, correct? So, you are not looking for followers, you are non-religious. So, some people say, ‘Well, they are just preaching another Messiah; with all due respect we don’t need that’. We need somebody that helps us how to do our lives better.
YAG: That’s what we are doing.
Hildegard: So, that is in essence the mission. Where does the Messiah fit in? Are you helping me find the Messiah within myself, is the next question?
YAG: Oh my gosh, if somebody is not feeling well and I go there and give them medicine, and I heal them and everything, but they tell me, ‘Don’t talk about the doctor’, alright let’s not talk about the doctor. But, do you know what does a doctor do? That’s exactly what I am doing: giving you medicine, telling you your ailments, giving you medicine and healing you. So, the job of the Messiah is to spread love, unify the entire human race. And this exactly what we need to do.
Okay, let’s forget about the Messiah, let’s do the job if you want to put it that way. Spreading love.
Hildegard: So, correct me if I am wrong, the Messiah is just giving us a whole new boost of love so it is easier for the individual to transcend – we spoke about hate and anger before, I don’t want to go there anymore – but that is what the Messiah does?
YAG: To be honest with you ‘Messiah’ is just a title. It is the Divine Energy which is coming in the guise of the Messiah. You can say the Divine Manifestation. The manifestation or that Super Man behind the clouds. If he doesn’t want to show us His face, he has taken a guise of somebody called Messiah. But we shouldn’t be concerned about the personality, we should be concerned about our own interest. And our interest is to become enlightened and powerful and to have peace in our heart and all the glory of our persona. That’s all.
Hildegard: So, let’s talk about the personal transformation in those who – I understand you have travelled extensively around the world, you go to conferences, do many interviews, you have your online workshops and discussions. What are some of the experience people have shared who had been activated, had their hearts opened to love?
YAG: What I feel every time I visit a country, some of these people have no knowledge about their [respective] field, and some people, the knowledge they have is dangerous. So, lack of knowledge. They are not properly informed. The discerning knowledge which can put their mind right, the knowledge which can fix their heart, that knowledge is lacking in every field. We are helping people to have the knowledge with which they can enlighten themselves and find who they really are. We are not concerned about Messiah, forget about Messiah. If Messiah comes and he doesn’t benefit me, I am not waiting for such a Messiah. If Messiah comes and he doesn’t benefit my soul, if he doesn’t improve the quality of my life, I shouldn’t be waiting for such a Messiah.
If Messiah just comes for his own personal interest, let him come. I am not bothered. I am only bothered about my personal quest which is exploring myself. Making the quality of my life better and if this is done from any angle, from any source, from any religion or any secular school of thought, or from any person then that person is very close to my heart. Even if that person is not Messiah. We are concerned about the philosophy, the ideology of love and peace not the person who may be dispensing the ideology of love and peace.
Hildegard: Well, as it appears we have been living in the ideology where we are separate from one another and focus on our separateness, rather than our togetherness, our unity, we are one organism.
YAG: It’s time now that we travel from being separate to togetherness. It is time now for unification. Because together we are powerful, divided we are estranged.
Hildegard: I would like to use the analogy of a computer network. The computer network out there is not really helpful to me unless my hard drive finds a way to connect to it, right? So, can you give us a specific example of what you are teaching? Your online courses or when you are doing your talks and travels. What are some of the steps our audience could practise? Like we talk about seeing a doctor, you want to have some idea of what he can do: change your diet, drink more water, whatever the doctor may recommend. Do you have any recommendations?
YAG: Well, what I do is multicultural and multidimensional. There are many problems that I am dealing with at a time. For example, when I speak everyday at 10PM UK time, I am live on Facebook, Periscope and YouTube. So, what happens is, people from all over the world they ask me questions on YouTube Live Chat and I answer these questions. Some of the questions are about their life, some of those questions are about the authenticity of the religions and they ask me which religion is better. They ask me about their religion, what they are doing as a religious person if it’s okay. So, I give them my understanding and references from their books and I tell them whether or not they are right or wrong.
So, in a way I am dealing with different sorts of cases. The nature of these cases is different, everybody is coming from a perspective of life and different religions. But I am happy when their questions are answered and I see a ray of hope on their faces, it satisfies me and I tell myself that I am really making a contribution towards forming a better society in this world.
Hildegard: You mentioned dimensions. What is your take on dimensions? For there are those who say they simultaneously exist on many different dimensional world at once. People who have visions or see elves or tree-creatures or different life forms, or aliens. What is your take on what are dimensions? Because we are so, as you mentioned earlier, stuck on the third dimension. This is what it is all about and some people say no, after a near-death experience we know that consciousness moves on, I don’t really die, the body may die but like if I take off my grey sweater, I continue living.
YAG: You are right. There is no such thing as fuller death. This is a journey. We are here for a specific reason and the body that we are contained in, if you call this death when the body perishes, we can call it death but then again this body is not real you. The real you is your spirit and that spirit does not know death. We are constantly travelling and going through evolution: spiritual evolution, geographical evolution and celestial evolution. And like the dimension that you were talking about. We have 7 souls inside our body and the dimension that you will be more focused on depends on what soul are you aligned with concurrently.
If you are aligned with the soul which rests on the right side of our bosom, it will take us to a different realm. Maybe somebody else is aligned with another soul so his or her dimension will be totally different.
After you have explored all your realities and you have aligned with all your souls, and you have been to all the celestial realms, then comes You: a fuller, dimensional person who knows everything. And then, that person will come to the divine dimension, which is the dimension of God.
Hildegard: So, indeed, there is hope. The worst that can happen people lose their body, terrorism or no terrorism, and we can work on the true self by becoming spiritually more conscious and therefore we can have whatever happens outside ripple, like water off a duck’s back.
YAG: But if you lose your body before your time you will be deprived of obtaining this spiritual enlightenment in the lifetime you are given to [obtain it]. If you die before your time then whatever you were supposed to obtain in this world in that frame of time, you won’t obtain it. So, we must not lose our life, we must not just throw our life away to any reason.
Hildegard: And that is unfortunately very much the case today. When you hear of young people committing suicide, en masse almost, we have such tragic stories here and I know they exist in other places as well. What do you attribute that to? And I know you work with young people, please elaborate a little bit.
YAG: They have many, many different issues. Sometimes, our desires, for example, are good. For example, I don’t have a car and I want to buy a car, this is a desire but if I do buy a car it will improve my life. Okay, that’s good. Let him go have a car. Now, if what you desire is not good for you and it is really dangerous for you then you are in pursuit of that desire, somebody who is honest with you should stop you from there. Right? So, we have many different desires and when the desires are not fulfilled they commit suicide. So, there are different reasons for suicide.
Hildegard: Do you think the religions were designed to educate us on a spiritual path and have they done a good job of it? What’s you opinion on it?
YAG: Religion were designed to help people, but only those who were in the Primordial Time and chose to have a pure life and those who wanted the luxuries of the world, religions are not for them. Number 2- There is not one religion, which was designed by God, to suit everybody in the world. All these religions were designed to cater for the needs of one particular group of people.
For example, Islam was created for the spiritual needs of the people who inhabited the Arabian Peninsula. This is why strict religious laws were implemented; if you are [caught] stealing they chop your hands off. But if you do the same in USA or Canada or UK, this is barbaric. But for them, because of their temperament – people have different temperaments everywhere. So, not even one religion is universal, they are regional.
Hugh: But here we are now and we still have those religions and now with the world getting smaller and people are moving all over the world; different cultures living side-by-side with each other, you know, these religions are beginning to rub up against each other –
YAG: That’s why these religions are creating problems now.
Hugh: Yeah, exactly. So, now to get from here though, because many people feel very strongly about their religions. And you know sometimes I think there is nothing harder than a worldview for people to change. People are so invested at the way they look at the world, right? So, for somebody to shatter that for them it’s very unsettling. That’s what I think causes people to get into a terrorist mindset or to become radicalised. So, here we are in this world. We are trying to get into unification. Certainly, we are trying to get to a place where people can live peacefully alongside one another. How do we do that? How do we overcome this religious mindset that some people have?
YAG: These people who practise religion they practise it very strictly, they become shortsighted. They are like the frog of the well; they do not know what is outside the well. You cannot educate them. Every single person who practises a religion becomes intolerant. That person thinks only he or she is right people of other religions are wrong. There is no time for religion. You cannot change them.
Hugh: One of the things that disturbs me is that the terrorist incidents in Europe where people are starting to become less tolerant – this is my concern, I hope I am wrong actually – but I have seen it here in Toronto too where everybody has become a little bit radicalised. People are saying, you know, we can’t have Muslims in the country. There are actually some people saying that. And not willing to engage in a debate because they feel that engaging in a debate would be fruitless. So, my concern is that instead of people becoming more tolerant or more open to working alongside one another as these incidents happen the people of all cultures, of all backgrounds, start to become isolationists in their thinking; less willing to even think about having a conversation.
YAG: I mean, what is happening right now and the tolerance you are talking about where people are beginning to have less tolerance, I think that is pretty much natural. If I live in my house alone with my children and then we have visitors and they stay there for 2-3 months. One day I will feel that my privacy is being invaded and I will start to feel frustrated. Actually, this is what is happening now in Canada. So many refugees are now coming and you feel that your values and freedom is being put on the stake and your way of life is now being jeopardised, and this integration and a lot of foreigners who are naive to this culture and your religious or secular values are pouring into your country. Perhaps, this is fear which is coming up as intolerance. The government should do something about it. They should only take as many refugees as your nation –
Hugh: I agree, but I don’t know if we can trust the governments to do the right thing. As I said, you know, if we think that the problem is even higher. And sometimes my suspicions, frankly, are that people at the highest levels are really trying to undermine the wellbeing of people, of families, of nations because – I don’t know what the real reason is – they thrive on chaos or misery or whatever it is.
YAG: [Laughs] That’s true. They are not concerned about right or wrong. They are just working on their political agenda. Whatever makes their opposition in politics stronger they will do that. I don’t think they are concerned about right or wrong.
Hugh: So, how do we get to unification from here –
YAG: Total unification is not possible. Unification is only possible among those people who are like minded. Do you understand?
Hildegard: That was going to be my question because you mentioned as we learn spiritually about all of the souls that are inside of us, we have to be willing to look at that. So, who is willing, is it in the makeup of the unique soul the human beings carry? Some of them are already predestined to “wake up”, and other those who are just waking up because they chose not to this lifetime around?
YAG: Not all the souls have this potential of finding love and peace. Not all the souls are equal in nature. Not all the souls are similar in nature. Only the souls which are similar in nature to each other will look for unification. Some people or I should rather say some of the souls are designed to look similar and familiar to each other and some others are totally opposite in nature. Those who are prone to create a chaos and promote hatred they will not understand any other language. They will only understand how to create more hatred and more chaos. So, you cannot talk about unification, love and peace among those people. They are designed to promote hatred.
Hugh: Then what do you do?
YAG: You cannot do anything!
Hugh: Because we are living in the same world as those people, right? Some would argue those are the terrorists, the bad guys, those are the people that maybe the good guys need to go to war with.
YAG: No bad guy will turn into a good guy, no matter what you do.
Hugh: So, what do we do with them?
YAG: We have to take precautions and protections. I am being realistic. I am not telling you stories to make anybody happy. I am telling you something which is very close to reality. Not everybody will love and not everybody will love the idea of promoting love and peace. There are people who are designed to promote hatred and you can never change them.
Hildegard: So, the people who became radicalised, like Steve was saying earlier –
YAG: They were different in nature.
Hildegard: So, their soul is different than somebody who has a desire to live in peace and harmony?
YAG: No soul on earth who has the potential of living with love and peace will or can be radicalised because their nature will not allow it. Only those are at the stake of being radicalised, who, in their nature are already radicalised by God. So, they have been divinely radicalised.
Hildegard: Wow! You are opening a whole new kind of –
YAG: The only person you can blame, and I am sorry to say that, but we are just puppets. The boss is responsible for everything.
Hildegard: However, we are not to – [inaudible] – responsibility then because human beings have known to make transformations. Maybe people haven’t been mass-murderers and haven’t been radicalised yet there are most certainly things that I have done that I am not proud of and then later on I felt better. I think that is human nature, right?
YAG: I think mass-murderers and these terrorists are all the same but they are doing it for a different cause. That’s all I understand.
Hildegard: Your foundation draws those who have a soul that is resonating with unification to begin with or else they wouldn’t even be drawn –
YAG: We are trying to reach everybody but the problem is those who, in nature, are already radicalised, when they ask a question they are already attacking on us; they are swearing at us, to them we are infidels. [They say] ‘What is love? There is no such thing as love in Islam.’ Alright.
Messiah Foundation International loves everybody without prejudice, without reservation of the colour of your skin. We love everybody. We are practically trying to raise awareness of practical love, spirituality, enlightenment. We love everybody and we would love to draw attention of people who do not love to love. We are trying and we know there are only certain people who are prone to love will be drawn to love. Not everybody will be drawn to love. We are striving, [I don’t know] whether or not we are thriving but we are striving.
Hugh: And it’s an ongoing project. So, people can go to the website, of course, and listen to the daily message, daily broadcast. And people can get the information on the website which is www.goharshahi.us. So, thank you everybody for tuning in.
Younus AlGohar on ThatChannel.com’s Liquid Lunch programme speaks to Hugh Reilly and Hildegard Gmeiner about the main cause of terrorism: Wahhabism, along with Steve Bell, President of MFI UK and Mir Liaquat Ali, Chairperson of MFI.
Read the transcript below
Hugh: The world has changed a little bit since the last time we were here in Toronto. And so, your Holiness, how do you want to open this conversation? What new information do we need to start thinking about today?
YAG: The world is changing and when we say the world is changing it simply means the people are changing and people are changing in a way that they are going with the flow. They need to understand where they are going, what they are doing and what is good for them, and what is good for society. And that is something that we are going to discuss today. With this continuous change that is coming up, what is it that we must do in order to have a good society, a better peaceful world?
Hugh: I’m just trying to put my finger on what some of the things are that have changed since the last time we were here and of course, we’ve got what’s new in our awareness last time is, in Europe, I guess what we call the refugee crises. Where we’ve got people who are just moving into Europe, whether they’re walking there from the Middle East, whether they are crossing the Mediterranean from Africa. We don’t really feel that here in Canada because we are an ocean away, but some of what I’m perceiving is a little bit of a heightening of racial tension or tension between the migrants and the people who are already in Europe. And you’re in the UK, so you’ve got perhaps even a different experience than mainline Europe, but what are your comments on all that?
YAG: Actually, my views are a little different on this point because we have several things in mind at the same time. Number 1, humanitarian efforts to give refuge to people who have been homeless and they have been compelled to leave their country under different circumstances. The feeling that we should allow refugees to come and settle in our countries, that is one point, it’s good, but then on the other hand, the terrorists who might be coming among all those refugees that is also something that we must be careful about. So, my views are a little different and I am a bit conservative at this point. If I was a politician in the UK, I would be a little tough on refugee policy. This is my understanding. I would be a little tough, I wouldn’t just allow any amount of refugees to pour into my country.
Hugh: That’s a good point. In fact, this is something that I’ve learned from you in the last couple of weeks that we spend a little bit of time together is that there is that you call the Wahhabi from Saudi Arabia, that are fomenting terrorism upon certain people who are open to it. And this is one thing I don’t think in Canada, at least I wasn’t aware of it, and if it’s true, it’s something we need to be mindful of. Because, Canada is very welcoming to new people from other parts of the world. But if, some of those people coming in have malicious intent, then we need to be aware of that, and that’s what you are saying, that some of these people many have malicious intent, and of course we don’t wanna have terrorism. So, if there is that kind of malicious intent then we do need to know about it. And we need to be smart about our immigration and our refugee policies.
Hildegard: What I find interesting is, reading the European languages, the newspapers and the official media as well and what’s on the internet these days. I am wondering what is your intake on the energies on this planet that stir the pot of unrest globally, intentionally to prevent the individuals as well as the collective to access their heart and soul? Just going back to what we learnt on Saturday, this wonderful event that you were at. I understand you are the ambassador of peace, you have been giving lectures at the United Nations, I forgot what the title was but they honoured you with bringing people together, politically, economically, on all levels. Many voices in Europe that I had the privilege of speaking to, they said, ‘Well hey, the European Union goes and destroys the habitat for people in Africa, makes it impossible for them to make a living, and then we treat them badly.’ What is your insight on the undercurrent, because the one thing is, we have refugees, and now let’s find a scapegoat and unfortunately this is now the Muslim religion, which I think is totally unfair. Because I don’t even believe the people who commit these crimes are not necessarily your average kind of citizen regardless of what religion. What is your insight, if you care to talk about this? Maybe this is not something you want to share but what do you say? Because people really want to know.
YAG: A majority of people who are coming from affected countries as refugees are people in need.
But the problem is, in the guise of those people, there are some individuals who are already radicalised, who follow the Wahhabi mindset and who have this intention of pouring into these civilised countries and creating a chaos.
And not just make it difficult for these countries to accept refugees but also make it difficult for the refugees to find a shelter anywhere else in the world. So, there are some grey areas, where no matter how tight your security or scrutiny may be you can’t just help.
Hugh: Like one of the things, I heard Trump say, that kind of made me – this is before he bombed Syria, mind you – that made me think maybe this was on the right track is that he was talking about, creating the situation, I think you mentioned Hildegard, in countries like Syria and of course in Africa, where parts of the world where there is a big incentive for people to get out of there and go to the Europe or go to the West. Lets, as a global project, let’s work on making those places, decent places to be so that there is no incentive to leave.Like, if we made Syria peaceful, prosperous, and liveable. And if we made Africa, peaceful, prosperous and liveable then maybe Europeans would wanna go there.
YAG: That’s a wonderful idea I think. Of course people are fleeing from these countries is because they are in trouble. They are desperate to leave. They are seeking shelter, protecting their lives. If these areas become peaceful and the conditions become favourable, I don’t think people would want to go anywhere else, they would want to live there in those countries.
Hugh: Yeah, because that’s their home, that’s their family, their friends.
YAG: That’s a wonderful idea.
Hildegard: So the question is, A) who made these conditions unfavourable? Because it’s obvious to many people that I get to talk to on a daily basis, that is a selected group that has financial interest, in creating trauma, challenges, even the people in North America, Toronto, across Canada, as well as in US, the average citizen is complaining that they can’t make a living. House prices are skyrocketing, especially here. Living wage doesn’t really exist for a lot of people anymore. It’s absolutely necessary now that people have multiple jobs even in Canada, it wasn’t unheard of. So it appears that there is some sort of energy that wants the masses to be stuck in fear. So can we talk about, fear versus love and what are the -[inaudible]- there? Hopefully that gives people some hope.
YAG: It’s a cocktail of intentions, cocktail of different political agendas, international political agendas. People have their invested, political and financial interest. It’s not an individual’s game, it’s a vast field. We, as a member of the common public can only talk, it’s up to the people in the power to make the right decisions and go in the right direction. For example, what he was saying about Donald Trump’s statement that of making Syria and some of the African countries more peaceful and the conditions become favourable, I think that’s a wonderful idea, and if it’s coming from Donald Trump, God is being merciful.
Hugh: Easier said than done though right? To take Africa and make it peaceful and prosperous, or Syria, which is a very difficult situation.
Mir L Ali: It’s a -[inaudible]- like His Holiness Younus AlGohar put it, a cocktail of humungous problems over there. But then, at the same time, some things didn’t change. Meaning the Wahhabi mentality, you know, those who created this problem their interests remain still the same. But coming to Toronto, it seems like we are coming home, away from all those problems. But then, hopefully things do improve somewhat.
Hildegard: So, what would you suggest the individual can do because it can be very easy to get emotionally caught up in all of this propaganda, in fear-mongering, people need to get up in the morning, feed their kids, do what they need to do to survive. What can an individual do to have a more upbeat outlook, in spite of all that is going on.
Mir L Ali: Here in the West, in United States and particularly in Toronto, Canada, things are a little different. Whereas, where there is this crisis, the problem in the Middle East, people are suffering. And I like this Prime Minister of Canada, who said, ‘If everybody else is rejecting you, come over here.’ That is something different. Whereas the asylum seekers are suffering for a long time. And they would rather not go anywhere, stay at their place but things are so tough – but then, we have to watch out for those elements which would cause problems here too.
Hildegard: You have been involved in the Messiah Foundation International for a very long time and I am wondering if you could tell us what inspired you to do so because you had a unique, personal experience too, didn’t you?
Mir L Ali: The inspiration is His Divine Eminence Gohar Shahi and then His Holiness Younus AlGohar. His Divine Eminence left it open in the world, meaning, there is still hope. There is nothing to despair. The sun will rise in the West, it is going to happen. There is a chance for people to understand the methodology, the practical side of it, how you are going to achieve that elusive common platform for everybody which is love. And His Divine Eminence said, ‘Love is contained in the heart.’ Just like water is contained in a glass, so that substance of love is yet to be generated so that the humanity rises above and beyond the religion and those rituals which are creating more differences than the peace of mind.
Hildegard: Would you care to speak a little bit about the ritual to put the heart to a state of peace?
Steve: People are becoming manipulated, they are finding these people that are from a lonely background, they are switching them, they are brainwashing them and they are teaching them to hate, and to kill. But, on the good hand, there is hope. It’s about unification. We have to be globally unified, and the common goal is love, which is what His Holiness Younus AlGohar is teaching. Once you have that love in your heart, you will not want to hate, you will not want to kill. And the methodology of doing that, as you asked, the place of love is the heart. We must reawaken the souls of the heart, we must free the heart.
As His Holiness Younus AlGohar spoke extensively on Saturday, the heart must be free to love. Cleared of everything else, cleared of hatred. It’s about connecting to God and this is what attracted me on this line. Especially Messiah Foundation, it doesn’t matter what religion you come from, doesn’t matter if you don’t follow any religion, this is about connecting to God through your heart and reawakening your souls. This is what the beautiful message is, and unification will only come once we have that common bond of love which is what we are doing. You spoke about society, society starts with a single person, doesn’t it?
Hildegard: Do you think there is other groups, not just Wahhabi, but can it be that there are people all over the world who are socially and economically disenfranchised or disadvantaged and the pot is now boiling over and these are the ones that then will go and look to see what can I do to relieve my personal frustration? Or is it one particular sect that is at risk to be radicalised?
YAG: Well, the world has always been subject to a great amount of injustice, all over the world. And due to this reason, there has been bloodshed, there have been incidents of hatred. However, this organised butchery of mankind was never witnessed as a result of any injustice, done into any country.
This international wave of terrorism is coming from the Wahhabi cult of death.
And then, small incidents in different countries are to be known as hate crimes and it could have been a result of gross injustice or justice done against any individual. There could have been many reasons for the uprise in hate crimes. However, this global terrorism, it is not due to injustice. It is due to hunger of power, becoming superpower.
For example, USA and Russia are both in a race to become superpower. USA is currently the superpower, but Russia is not sitting quietly. Constantly struggling to get the title back. In a similar way, Saudi Arabia, very discreetly, is in the race now. America and other countries are exporting ammunitions and arms, and Saudi Arabia is exporting terrorism. They want to put their flag of ‘La Ilaha llla Allah’ on the White House. They want to put their black flag on the Big Ben, Parliament Houses in London. Everywhere. They want to rule the world, they are going after the End Times predictions that the Muslim leader will rule the entire world. And they think they are true Muslims, so they should be ruling the world.
I am telling you this is the End Times things that they are trying to translate into practicality. This is all Wahhabi school of thought, intolerance or not having the ability to co exist in a society with others. This is all coming from the Wahhabi mindset. I don’t totally rule out the possibility of having hate crimes based on injustice done on different society and different groups of people.
However, this international wave of terrorism is not result of any injustice. It is all due to the fact that this Muslim cult of Wahhabi mindset, they want to rule the world. They want international global caliphate, they want their caliph to be a global leader.
Hugh: I just wanna say, because I find it curious that in 911, for example, the only people that were allowed to travel and fly from the United States were Saudi Arabians.
YAG: And the family members of Osama Bin Laden.
Hugh: Yeah, a little curious. When he was being fingered for the cause of the 911 disasters. Sometimes I think that there might even be something at an higher level that maybe some of the people in the West at the highest level, perhaps Saudi Arabians and perhaps other people in the world are really making the effort to destabilise everything, and make life miserable for normal decent people all over the world. Some of the crimes, in the US and some in the UK, these are not even real terrorist acts, these are people who may have been subject to some kind of mind control, and it’s part of larger operation to destabilise, to pick people against one and another. Do you have any thoughts about that? Maybe it’s a bigger problem than even Wahhabism and pointing the finger at Saudi Arabia.
YAG: I have a friend in England and his name is Steve Reed. He is a member of parliament and sometimes he comes to my restaurant for a political gathering. And I was talking to him and I asked him, ‘How do you see this terrorism and what do you think the government should do to stop it?’ What he said to me, I take it as an understanding of British politics. He said, ‘This is all about geopolitics.’ And Saudi Arabia is the main sponsor, the main exporter of terrorism. Now, the problem is – there was a problem in Iraq, the West went after Saddam Hussein, and he was finished, and then they thought there was problem in Libya they went after Muammar Gaddafi.
Now, there is a problem for everybody in this world: Saudi Arabia. If NATO and all the Western allied forces take care of the Saudi Royal family who is main sponsor. It’s not the Saudi public, all the oil, all the oil money goes into the pockets of these shayukh of the Royal family. A common Saudi citizen is even deprived of basic necessities of life. It’s just the royal family of that country who has all the wealth of that county in their possession. And they are doing this for whatever reason and the reason is pretty obvious. Now the problem is, the world leaders and so reluctant to take any decisive step, this is because they are the main exporter of oil, and everybody has their vested interest. I do not know how they are going to solve this but the problem is Saudi Arabia and the royal family. If they are taken care of then we are at peace.
Hugh: Now you have mentioned the End Times prophecy, the end times prophecies in the Islamic faith and there’s also end times prophecies in the Christian faith and probably others faiths. Are these the end times?
YAG: End Times? Well, who knows? But we can see some of the clouds telling us stories, like ‘We might rain maybe today or tomorrow’, and End Times are not pretty far.
Hugh: And maybe thats a big lesson we can all learn, we don’t really know for sure if these are the End Times or not, we have our lives to live, we have our decisions we can make today
YAG: Yeah, but science has solid answers to this question. Science tells us that we are using up the resources, and the climate change and the icebergs melting in the North Pole. And the ultimate source of hydrogen, the Sun, is using up its energies and the UV rays are becoming even worse than before. The UV rays here in Canada is 7 as compared to the UK where there is only 1.
So, we are using up the universal resources, which can indicate the fact that, yeah, the End Times are not pretty far.
Hildegard: Master Paul Acuna from the Universal Brotherhood mentioned his interpretation was that End times could very well be shifted in conscientization so that humanity really threw the devastation we have created, we are actually needing these challenges to become conscious. What is your take on that His Holiness?
YAG: Master Paul is a wonderful man and a wonderful master, he must have a very deep insight into it, but I haven’t actually spent time on exploring this point so I am not in a position to comment.
Hildegard: Yeah so some people, when we look at our personal life, when we run against the wall once, we get a little boil in the front head and then we make a different choice and find a more smoother path. So, if this is true for the individual, it’s one of many theories out there maybe that is all in divine order. However, I would like to, if I may one last question regarding putting our heart at ease, can you leave us with a message now towards the end of the first segment that leaves our viewers with a little bit more hope and encouragement. What can they do to keep the emotional waters calm and focus on what they have to do without having a panic attack about what’s going on geopolitically?
YAG: First I would like to tell you that End Times, there is a collective End Times and the individuals end times, we should be more concerned about our end times. Everybody has a different end time. The moment you die, this is your end time. So, we shouldn’t wait, we shouldn’t say, ‘Oh the end times are far.’ That’s the collective End Times when the entire world will perish. Let’s talk about our individuality. When will I die? I can die anytime, anywhere. I am not sure whether I will live for another 10 or 20 years, the world has changed. Maybe I am walking outside the street and I am run over by a bus, or a lorry. So I should always be prepared and I should do what it takes to become a more spiritually energetic person and more enlightened. We shouldn’t wait, we should just start, purifying ourselves enlightening ourselves.
Younus AlGohar recently visited Toronto, Canada, where he gave an interview with ThatChannel.com. There, he spoke on a variety of topics including going beyond religion and becoming the character/image of God. Man receives attributes of God, which is how we become compassionate and kind. He also spoke on the concept of the awaited one in all religions.